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I was a long time Scott Adams fan with the Dilbert Principle being one of my favorite books.

What I found most interesting about him was around the time Trump was running for president the first time, Adams was one of the first people to point out that Trump was, to use Adams' terms, a "master persuader". No one else at the time seemed to be talking about this and it was fascinating to see a humorist have this take/insight.





Interestingly, Adams also pointed out the persuasion flaws in Hillary's campaign. Evidently, the Hillary team noticed this and changed their messaging, which Adams then commented on.

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I think many who dislike Trump (myself included) don't really want to think of him as having skills of any sort.

But I think it's more so that he does absolutely have certain skills such as persuasion or, some argue, charisma. He just doesn't have any of that pesky morality or sense of responsibility to the greater good, the entire citizenship, etc. that often gets in the way of such ambitions.

So we're left with a master manipulator who will hurt a great number of people, maybe benefit a few if necessary, but ultimately a subset of people think he's genius and a net positive. And I can't help but think that the only ones who think he's a "net positive" are either personally benefiting, or have been persuaded to believe it, despite reality painting a different picture.


I dunno if the "just paraphrasing [...] Fox" works as an explanation for success. It sounds like you believe he just keeps unaccountably stumbling into piles of cash and power?

Have we given up on him being a master persuader already?

He was literally born into wealth before he could even stumble.


As were many hundreds of thousands of other men, and yet Trump is in the Oval office and they are not.

An ageing Biden and Dubya have also occupied that office and they don't exactly strike me as "master persuader" types either.

Nobody is accusing Trump of lacking ambition or charisma, and there's also no doubt the party machine that backed him is pretty sophisticated in the arts of political campaigning. But there's a difference between being a "master persuader" able to convince almost anyone of almost anything and being a shameless braggart in front of an electorate that's unusually impressed by a celebrity's overconfidence and wealth, and also being a lot less shameless about appealing to their chauvinistic attitudes than predecessors.


So Joe Biden and George W Bush are also master persuaders?

I feel we've cheapened the title "master persuader" if every elected politician in semi-democratic nations, even the nepo babies, gets that accolade.

I'm really looking for masterful persuasion, preferably of people who haven't already poisoned themselves with a diet of misinformation.


Biden was a great campaigner and speech maker. Similar to Trump in that he wasn't afraid to piss people off. Don't let the dementia addled version that you saw in his 80s fool you into thinking he wasn't a man of extreme outlier political talent to get where he was. So was W Bush. You think going up on stage and acting like the smartest guy in the room (as many who worked with Bush say he actually was) is going to win you any votes? But acting like Bush will. That's not something just anyone can do. And you think calling 3 men out of 300 million "master persuaders" cheapens it? Any player in the NBA is a master basketball player and there are hundreds of them at any given time.

And Scott Adams is on the record that these people and Al Gore and Romney and the Clintons all meet his criteria for master persuader?

Because he clearly seemed to be building Trump up as something unique.


Trump was born rich to a father who taught him cruelty and insulated him from consequences. It was a golden ticket.

He still managed to go bankrupt 6 times, and couldn't get financing. He had to resort to selling his name or getting money from one of the most corrupt banks in the world.

He's rumored to have been despised in the NY social scene since his youth and up to the present.

He's been accused of rape by his own ex-wife and SA by more than 20 others. He bought pageants so beautiful women would have to interact with him. His longest relationship is with an illegal migrant (possibly trafficked) escort whose visa he had to pay for.

He gained no following during his time at the head of the Reform party.

Since 2015 his political base, like Nixon's, is largely built on white grievance and fear. It's incapable of building much once in power.

Now the Trump family accumulates money by selling power, hot air, and fleecing fools.


When was he at the head of the Reform party?

In 2000, with the help of Jesse Ventura.



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